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  No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

  - the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

  kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

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  Mainstream (and early Christian) details about the Rapture can be found here. It is a FOUNDATIONAL Christian belief. Scripture calls that event a Christian's "blessed hope". It is what every saved person since Able is looking forward to. The Rapture officially ends the "Church Age" which is NOT the final age of God's affairs with men. Christianity is parenthetical, a slight detour that made possible the Salvation of everyone on earth that recieves Christ.
  
  But BTTT, I was thinking that after the Jihad on the pinata is abandoned, maybe Thanksgiving could be next. Maybe soon stories like this will be just relics of bygone days:

  • w85 4/1 pp. 22-23 Serving God as a Family

  "Then there was the occasion when a turkey dinner was served in the school cafeteria just before Thanksgiving vacation. Rick, who was in the first grade at the time, refused to eat it. Only after persistent explaining by the teacher that it was not Thanksgiving Day nor a real Thanksgiving dinner, and after a phone call to Carol, did Rick’s conscience allow him to eat that meal."

  What kind of Christian group prohibits giving thanks to God? The WT DEMANDS that their members make freaks out of their children.
  
  Thanksgiving might make a nice second step after the pinata.
  
  

  
  
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  Did Christ PASS or FAIL the org? 😁

  by BoogerMan in

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  inspection year: 1918 result: failed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

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  Wow! Good work Boogerman in getting that out there. Here's a Klenex.

  You would think that the demons manning the Watchtower could at least get their story straight! Wait till Beelzebub hears about this. There will be hell to pay.
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  No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

  - the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

  kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

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  The "rapture" wording has been in the literature for years. I think at least since 1995 and the generation change.

  I never went to another meeting after that Nov. issue of the '95 Watchrtower that changed the generation doctrine. So, maybe you are right. I thought the idea was that the Annointed would just grow old and die even in the New System.
  
  
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  Article: Face of Co Kerry woman jailed for grooming and having sex with teenage boy

  by Tahoe in

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  this is the first image of the convicted child groomer who confessed to her jehovah’s witness congregation that she groomed a boy from the age of 14 before having sex with him two years later.. .

  perverted pamela lonergan, who went on to work in childcare settings and as a carer in the community, admitted four counts of defilement of a child under the age of 17.. the offences occurred at locations in kerry and cork in 2008 and 2009.. appearing before cork circuit court earlier this month, lonergan of treanmanagh, glenbeigh, co kerry, received a one year jail sentence for the offences.. speaking afterwards, one local said the community had been stunned to learn of lonergan’s abuse.. he said another neighbour had met lonergan on the road the week before the trial and she had told him she was moving up to cork for a while.. “ obviously she thought her name wasn’t going to be disclosed in the media,” he said.. “if the victim hadn’t waived his anonymity to allow this happen, she’ have come back here when she got out and we’d have been none the wiser.”.

  cork circuit criminal court heard lonergan was 26 when she first started initiating contact with the minor, having met him in a social setting.

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  You are a sick man Stan. No wonder you used to be an elder.
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  No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

  - the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

  kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

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  I agree Biahi. I think that the WT war on the Pinata may be a good next step.

  g71 6/22 pp. 23-24 The Piñata and Its Use
  

  "We want to know more about the piñata. What is its origin? Why is it used in Mexico and other Latin-American countries? Is there any significance to breaking it? The origin of piñatas is not definitely known"....

  The WT astutely recognizes that the origins of the pinata are not really known. But, what is known is that it has been used on festive occasions, sometimes in connection with Christmas and a nine-day Joseph & Mary Christmas tradition in some countries named Posada.

  WT noted:

  "Nowadays the Posada in Mexico features disorder, drunkenness and criminal activity. The celebrations are used as an excuse for wild and immoral living. Persons frequently are killed, and others are robbed and injured.".

  There was no mention in the article about the hundreds of millions of children who benefitted from its use during fun-filled family get-togethers, nor of the millions of JW children made to needlessly suffer while they look out their windows watching "worldly" kids having fun with their family and friends.

  
  
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  No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

  - the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

  kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

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  those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” Therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time. - The Watchtower—Study Edition | July 2015

  Ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture". Kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases). But, it's the same thing.

  Where is the clean, spot-free organization I grew up in? Do regular R&F JW's see the vast difference between the org of 25 years ago and the one we see today?

  Could Christmas or birthdays ever be recovered? Previously, I would have said "no way". Now, the recent changes make me wonder what else is possible.
  
  What will be the next main-streaming of the organization?
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  What do you think?

  by Tahoe in

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  JW's are just tired of working for their salvation in my opinion. I think a lot of people are starting to see the simplicity of Christ.

  2 Cor. 11: 3 - I fear... as the serpent deceived Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
  
  

  It is also a far superior offer than what the WT requires:

  
  "In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah’s voice to us as he directs the congregation through “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45) We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience." Watchtower 2014 Aug 15 p.21

  But God's word says the opposite of the WT:

  to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 4: 4-5).

  It is your singular belief that saves you. Why does God require belief instead of obedience in order to be saved? Simple, While I cannot always be obedient, I can always believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
  

  In Acts 16:31, a man asked the apostle Paul how to be saved. Paul’s simple response was, “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.” The way to follow God’s plan of salvation is to believe. That is the only requirement (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9). God has provided for our salvation through Jesus Christ, not an organization. All we must do is receive it, by faith, fully trusting in Jesus alone as Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12).

  That is God’s simple plan of salvation. When we reject it, there will always be someone willing to accomodate our disbelief and provide a hampster wheel for us to sweat on for them instead. The WT is not the only hampster wheel to choose from ya know.
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  WT and Deathbed Salvation?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  eight million jehovah's witnesses do not believe they are saved, so how can they in short order tell you how to get saved on your deathbed?.

  instead, they might tell you, “look you are about to die and the great tribulation has not started yet, so you don't need to repent and believe anything really.

  just die and your death will pay for your sins and unless you have sinned against the holy spirit, you will be raised along with most everybody else and learn from others such as abraham, isaac and jacob, how to live for the kingdom during the 1000 year reign of christ.

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  Sadly, JWs would rather you trust the words of men instead of the words of Jesus Christ.

  I think about that all the time. Heretics were around while the apostles were still alive. Imagine that! In utter disregard for their own life, they were convinced they had the truth.

  Some people just have a natural contrarian personality. Psychologists call this ODD (oppositional defiant disorder). These are the kinds of people that say black when you say white. Or, they say "down" if you say "up". Or, if they hear a story, they turn it into a story about themselves.
  
  While this cannot explain all of the reasons people put their trust into men instead of Jesus, I think it explains a lot of JW's.
  
  People also use the mental device known as "suppression". Others, are just straight up gullible and proud of it. They interpret their gullibility as good-heartedness, and being righteous. These are the people who will say, without any investigation, "it has the ring of truth". That's what my dad told me when I asked him why he joined the WT.
  
  The bible just calls them fools.
  
  Pr. 28: 26 - He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool

  “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” - Gal. 1: 8
  
  
  
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  Museum Pic

  by peacefulpete in

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  a lot of ink has been spilled on the topic of the cross.

  the wt felt it had uncovered some deep conspiracy when they found a number of words were used to describe how jesus was understood to have been killed.

  there was an extensive thread many years ago that in short strongly supports the conclusion that at least some nt writers envisioned a cross, while others had a tree in mind.

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  @ peacefulpete

  We all due respect, I believe your mind is broken.
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  Museum Pic

  by peacefulpete in

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  a lot of ink has been spilled on the topic of the cross.

  the wt felt it had uncovered some deep conspiracy when they found a number of words were used to describe how jesus was understood to have been killed.

  there was an extensive thread many years ago that in short strongly supports the conclusion that at least some nt writers envisioned a cross, while others had a tree in mind.

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  @peacefulpete

  Religious "truth" is not measured by eye witnesses, but by the elevating of people's value and love.

  This is a self defeating statement. How do ytou know if your statement is true?

  You use a lot sophistry in describing Christianity.
  
  The simple facts are that a man who was prophesied to be god, did a bunch of miracles healing people and claimed that he would resurrect himself from the dead after he was murdered. Then, he did it. He was viewed as the Creator in the flesh from the earliest believers, especially after showing himself to hundreds of people after he came back from the dead, therefore leaving behind a huge group of eye-witnesses. People liked what he taught about freedom and unending life and were inclined to put their ultimate trust in him instead of themselves, religious leaders, inadequet philosophies, or really anything else.

  There is a lot to like about all that, especially since there is sound historical documentation that supports it. Why would anyone place their ultimate trust in someone, or something with no power to defeat death? Kinda, gets Jesus out in front of all the competetion doesn't it?

  For instance, these miracles of Jesus are far more believable than the miracles that secular materialists believe in.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krBhwImfPnU&ab_channel=CreationMinistriesInternational